Bleach Character Debates

[pantera]

This thread is for debates about Bleach characters.

Do you think that Soi Fon (Sui Feng) would’ve went with Yoruichi if Yoruichi asked her to when leaving the Soul Society? Soi Fon seems to have contradictory beliefs she seems very to the rules but follows Yoruichi blindly. I know she asked why didn’t you take me to Yoruichi, but would she have went or tried to stop Yoruichi?

 

[B. Haddrell]

Yoruichi would never ask Soi Fon to leave the Soul Society to go with her. There is no benefit in it, not for Yoruichi and not for Soi Fon. Certainly not for the Soul Society. When it comes to Yoruichi, Soi Fon is indeed pretty much a "yes woman". This is not someone Yoruichi wants around her in the world of the living. She also doesn't want someone like her being a constant chaperone when it comes to Soul Society rules and laws, someone who would also police and report what Yoruichi is doing to her superiors.

As much as Soi Fon adores Yoruichi and put her on a pedestal where she doesn't belong, she is first of all a Shinigami who passionately believes in its laws and values. I don't think she would ever ask to leave and follow Yoruichi to the world of the living. I am sure it is much more likely that she would challenge Yoruichi to come back and leave Urahara behind.

But on the other hand, Soi Fon would not go too far with that. She loves and respects Yoruichi too much for that, no matter that she disagrees with these choices she made.

 

[pantera]

Yoruichi would never ask Soi Fon to leave the Soul Society to go with her. There is no benefit in it, not for Yoruichi and not for Soi Fon. Certainly not for the Soul Society. When it comes to Yoruichi, Soi Fon is indeed pretty much a "yes woman". This is not someone Yoruichi wants around her in the world of the living. She also doesn't want someone like her being a constant chaperone when it comes to Soul Society rules and laws, someone who would also police and report what Yoruichi is doing to her superiors.

As much as Soi Fon adores Yoruichi and put her on a pedestal where she doesn't belong, she is first of all a Shinigami who passionately believes in its laws and values. I don't think she would ever ask to leave and follow Yoruichi to the world of the living. I am sure it is much more likely that she would challenge Yoruichi to come back and leave Urahara behind.

But on the other hand, Soi Fon would not go too far with that. She loves and respects Yoruichi too much for that, no matter that she disagrees with these choices she made.

Well put. I agree that Yoruichi would never ask Soi Fon to come with her. The situation was already a mess, so why add more people and Soi Fon would definitely only be a liability if she came. Yoruichi probably didn’t want her to live life as a fugitive. Plus Soi Fon never liked Urahara all that much.

 

[windleopard]

Do you think Rangiku should have had a greater presence throughout the series given her connection to Gin and the Kurosaki family?

 

[Frosty]

Isn’t Rangiku pretty much mostly tied to Gin who is dead at the moment? Perhaps if Kubo cared enough to keep Gin alive or brings him back in Hell arc if it’s going to be a thing and write romance between them, then yes, Rangiku can have a greater role. As for *should* she? Why not. I mean, while it’s a shonen manga romance wouldn’t be so bad imo. Is it realistic for it to happen? Don’t think so. I don’t think romance is something Kubo wants to draw a whole lot of.

As for her ties to Kurosaki family, it begins and ends with her being a VC to Isshin no? While some captains and VCs are close, like Rose and Kira, Byakuya and Renji, Yamamoto and Sasikabe, Unohana and Isane and perhaps some others, I don’t think Rangiku and Isshin share a similar deep enough connection. Which means there isn’t lot to write about.

Rangiku can possibly have a greater presence with Gin in the future. As for “should she have a greater presence”, it depends on how one feels about romance.

Also, if it’s before Gin’s death, well, again it prolly comes down to how one feels about romance. With Gin being covert I don’t think it was possible for Rangiku to have a greater presence barring her being part of some sort of rescue arc for the person she likes or sth.

 

[Saiyan5ninetail]

She might get more attention if Gin did end up in Hell, but that depends on whether or not she is someone Kubo wants to focus on.

If anything could be said to be one of Kubo's weaknesses as a writer, it is that he doesn't seem to know what to do with many characters once their original arcs are done. It is like how the Visoreds were mainly relegated to secondary characters after the Arrancar Saga was done. We see the Bankais of Shinji, Rose, and Kensei in TYBW, but it was one of those one-and-done situations I've mentioned elsewhere.

Or look at how Hisagi was treated in TYBW despite going through Bankai training with Kensei and Mashiro. It was Narita who had to pick up the thread of Hisagi's character in Can't Fear Your Own World.

The more I consider, the more it makes me cynical about the Human cast (Mizuiro, Keigo, and Tatsuki) going forward. The "arc" involving them could be summed up as gradually learning about the secret world Ichigo and the Nakama are part of, and that was mainly resolved through the time-skip. After that, aside from Tsukishima using them as pawns with "Book of the End", and Kyoraku giving them Soul Tickets because Ichigo might not be able to return to the Living World, their presence in the story is minimal, just to remind us that they're there.

To give a shorter answer, Kubo isn't good at dealing with a large cast of characters. He has specific characters he likes to focus on and develop more than others, and it comes at the detriment of the rest. I would even say this afflicts the members of the main cast, Ichigo and Co.